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RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - h2ofun - 11-07-2011 04:43 PM

Close I guess. I have no BR media burner or player. I have no BR media.
Never rented a BR. I hear none of my friends talking about it either.
Same with 3D. Right now just trying to use my limited money for health care and food on the table. My CRT TV's work just fine, and if I needed more, can find CRT's usually for free.

(11-05-2011 12:42 AM)Burnerbum Wrote:  
(11-05-2011 12:18 AM)h2ofun Wrote:  I have NO desire for anything 3D, and I am an early adopter. I also have no BR hardware. All the industry wants is a new marketing thing to get our money. Not mine

Sure you do, you have the PCH. That plays BR.

The only reason I have 3D is because the 2D picture on the set was outstanding and I got the glasses for 25 bucks for the pair. It's fun occasionally. But I agree, I don't think it will be in the mainstream for long.

But DON'T try and take away my PCH........


An early adopter does not mean they are a fool to waste money. And without a job, I have to be more selective.

It took me years to buy my first DVD player after they had been out for years. I just saw no value. Just like I still see no value in BR at the prices they want for media. I think the format war totally turned me off since it was clear it was all about profit, and not what the consumer wanted. And 3D, what a total joke of just trying to get more money from folks. 3D was always meant for having things fly at your face. No interest from me!!

I have 10 TV's in my house, zero are flat panels. And I cannot tell you the last time I have watched a movie, other than when I am on my bike trainer. Total waste of ones life watching lots of TV, IMO. I would rather be out doing things with my hands.


(11-07-2011 11:32 AM)jiyong Wrote:  
(11-05-2011 12:18 AM)h2ofun Wrote:  I have NO desire for anything 3D, and I am an early adopter. I also have no BR hardware. All the industry wants is a new marketing thing to get our money. Not mine

Sheesh, you call yourself an early adopter, but after almost 4 years when the HD-DVD vs BD war ended, you still don't own a BD player?

I agree that 3D has had a difficult start, but it doesn't look like it will go away anytime soon. The price difference between 2D and 3D TVs is not that big anymore. Even mid range TVs are starting to come standard in 3D.

The 3D BD titles are rapidly increasing and consumers can buy more and more devices to create their own 3D content. Hell, even an affordable phone like the SE Experia Mini can shoot 3D panorama photos. When you spend some more money you can buy a LG or HTC phone that has two lenses to shoot 3D photos and video.

More and more niche products like helmet cams are also going 3D: http://gopro.com/hd-hero-accessories/3d-hero-system/

Being a true early adopter means you will risk buying products that will never make it into the mainstream (Laserdisc anyone?) and that you pay ridiculous prices, as products haven't hit mass production levels yet.

So according to my definition you completely fail as an early adopter.



RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - mediator - 11-07-2011 05:04 PM

I want a C200 with good working jukebox that works out-of-the-box, without requiring a PC and tweeking with additional software.

Syabas, when can we expect this new firmware?

I'm tired of waiting and starting to loose my faith in this product and it's support Dodgy.


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - Burnerbum - 11-07-2011 05:17 PM

(11-07-2011 01:59 PM)requis Wrote:  
(11-07-2011 12:41 PM)Burnerbum Wrote:  
(11-07-2011 11:32 AM)jiyong Wrote:  Being a true early adopter means you will risk buying products that will never make it into the mainstream (Laserdisc anyone?) and that you pay ridiculous prices, as products haven't hit mass production levels yet.

So according to my definition you completely fail as an early adopter.

I think I may qualify, my first VCR, which was a JVC with a remote (wired) cost me $1400.00. and the blank tapes were 40 bucks. Back then I took it on payments for 1 year. And about a year later they came out with the first movie you could buy and own to watch whenever you like. The Sound of Music for the low price of $175.00. No, I didn't buy that.

If thats all you've got, I tend to agree you may not be an early adopter....now if you expanded....and said

first plamsa...check
first LCD screen ...check...
First DVD player...check
First XBOX, PS3, WII, Mac, Blackberry, Iphone, IPOD nano, IPOD touch, projector, 3 chip projector, led projector, BR player, HP Tablet, Asus Tablet, recievers, media players,....

Given you have a PCH.....though your likely in the same boat as the rest of us on "the bleeding edge" of this much maligned electronic device and you deserve that title...as we all have had to put up with the corporate PCH nonsense of...ohhh we're we suppose to give you that feature....oh yes we realize we said it could do it...but that will be next year.... I digress....still waiting on my new C-200 power supply, no rush on the new firmware....take your time folks.....just sayin...

Cheers,

Requis

Well yes,
First DVD recorder for PC 1000 bucks and Home DVD Recorders, currently 5 on the shelve.
First Plasma 50" Dell 4500 bucks
currently have 8 lcd TVs
8 different media players including the PCH A-100, C-200, A-200, A-300
Had a Zenith TV with Space Phone, could answer the phone on the TV.
And the list goes on, I have a electronics grave yard in the basement.


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - espocartoons - 11-07-2011 06:12 PM

(11-04-2011 10:00 PM)halfelite Wrote:  what is with everyone and 3d tv lol. 3d tv is going to die out faster then it came in. Dont waste your money looking for the perfect 3d products it wont be around in the coming years to even use it. and if it does last it will be 4k passive 3d. So everyone will be buying a new tv with new technology anyways lol

Panasonic, who bet heavily on 3DTV just announced it expects an annual net loss of 5.5 billion dollars. Meanwhile Sony, another big booster of 3DTV says they are going to restructure their TV divisions in hopes of turning around their struggling TV business
http://www.retrevo.com/content/blog/2011/11/could-low-interest-3dtv-hurt-tv-business

From a consumer level 4k bluray is a long way off becoming main stream. Manufactors have struggled to overcome poor HD BluRay playback on 4k TVs and Projectors.

3D isnt going to become the norm for everyone! But over the next 2 years 3DTVs will be standard, similar to 100MHz.

5.5 billion dollar losses is NOTHING to do with 3DTVs and to do with a recession, rising costs to manufacturing in Japan due to the strong Yen and higher wages.

TV market requires disposable income and unemployment is at a record high 'worldwide'

How much content is available 4k? The UK market just isnt ready for it.


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - requis - 11-07-2011 06:20 PM

[/quote]

Well yes,
First DVD recorder for PC 1000 bucks and Home DVD Recorders, currently 5 on the shelve.
First Plasma 50" Dell 4500 bucks
currently have 8 lcd TVs
8 different media players including the PCH A-100, C-200, A-200, A-300
Had a Zenith TV with Space Phone, could answer the phone on the TV.
And the list goes on, I have a electronics grave yard in the basement.
[/quote]

LOL and that right there says it all...."our Electronic Grave Yard" in our house has become a playground for my pre teens who fool around with all this stuff...ingenuity does have its way of working into the mix...but as consequence of being an early adopter lots of stuff makes its way into our graveyard...no offense intended to the previous poster money does seem to be one of the prevailing causalities of being an early adopter...at least that is what my wife keeps reminding me...

Cheers,

Requis


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - Gabor - 11-07-2011 06:28 PM

After the poll about the new flash based firmware/jukebox can we have any proximate date of availability for the C200?


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - kirby_blue - 11-08-2011 09:32 AM

(11-07-2011 06:28 PM)Gabor Wrote:  After the poll about the new flash based firmware/jukebox can we have any proximate date of availability for the C200?

I imagine it's what we're all craving for. But you have to be patient and quit asking all the time. Remember, the developer does this on his own in his free time and he doesn't earn money from any of this after all.....

....right? Tongue


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - jiyong - 11-08-2011 02:55 PM

I'm not here to tell you how to spend your money. I'm lucky I still have my job and can spend money on things I like and not worry about things I have to buy (like food, healthcare, etc.).

But my point is that it is odd you call yourself an early adopter when the last time you were early was with a VCR.
Again, if you don't see added value in those things, you are right not to buy them. But when it took you years to buy your first DVD, perhaps that was a moment where you should have realised you are no longer an early adopter.

Am I a "full time" early adopter? Hell no! Sure I've spend money on things that in hindsight haven't been so useful, but at least I got some fun out of it. The first thing I regret buying is the KCS Dual HD Drive for my Amiga. I thought hard disks didn't have any added value and I should be able to cope with 2 times 1.8 MB floppies at a time. A whopping 3.6 MB back in those days! http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=773

Because of my preference for the Amiga, I have hardly been an early adopter with PC products. And especially when I started travelling for work I wanted something really portable, like the Sony Clie UX-50. Now that was the most impressive PDA back in those days. And one of the reasons why I never bought a Windows mobile device (yuck), or Palm phone.

Once I got really bored with my Moto Razr and Clie UX, it was time to buy the Nokia N95. Upgraded to the Nokia N97 (big, big disappointment) and settled for the LG 2X after that.

Another device that was a bit of a disappointment was the Sony VAIO UX (UMPC). Too bulky to replace my Clie UX, clumsy keyboard and lousy battery life. But it sure was fun to show people a full PC that could fit in a big jacket pocket.

It also took me until the PS3 slim to buy a PS3. As I was travelling all over the world for work, I didn't have a HD TV and there was no point in buying a PS3 at that time. Played tons of hours on a PSP though.

Once my international assignments stopped it was time to invest in a home theatre (again). I got the PS3 slim, LCD TV and Popcorn Hour C-200. The Popcorn replaced my Rapsody RSH-300 Media Player. A couple of months ago my PS3 and LCD TV were stolen and I bought a 3D TV (and PS3 again) from the money I got from the insurance. To be really honest, I wouldn't have bought a 3D TV if my previous TV wasn't stolen.

Last year I bought the Archos 70 tablet, to see what all the tablet fuss was about. I don't like the golden cage of Apple and the Samsung Tab 7 wasn't attractive enough for me. Now I just bought the Archos 80, but I think I will give it to my mother as soon as I can get my hands on the Samsung Tab 7.7 (SAMOLED screen!).

Oh well, I'll stop my ramblings about this early adopter nonsense. Wink

I hope this thread gets closed pretty soon. Not because we have gone so off-topic, but because nothing useful has been posted here in the last days and a new firmware should also mean a new thread. Otherwise the C-200 is also going to be on my list of things I regret to have bought.


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - Burnerbum - 11-08-2011 04:07 PM

(11-08-2011 02:55 PM)jiyong Wrote:  But my point is that it is odd you call yourself an early adopter when the last time you were early was with a VCR.
Again, if you don't see added value in those things, you are right not to buy them. But when it took you years to buy your first DVD, perhaps that was a moment where you should have realised you are no longer an early adopter.

I'm not sure who you are reffering to, but I still have my Atari 800 with 5 1/4 floppy and my Amiga 1000, with the 1.5mb memory upgrade (I think that what it is, so long ago) the Amiga was a great machine, I loved playing games on it.

I think we have gotten way off topic here.


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - McOrmick - 11-11-2011 12:20 AM

Silence is deafening. The c200 has had no normal firmware update since march of this year. The june release was a aac key update only. Sure there was a new product launch and all, but after that, and a poll, no info has been released on where we stand. Is the c200 EOL already, even after only a few FW releases? 9 months of nothing in a 2 to 3 year old product is worrying to say the least. Will I get the support I expected when I bought it?

Please don't tell me that it's because the c200 is 'old' tech or anything and I should expect nothing, because FW updates are a courtesy by Syabas. The C200 wasn't old in march, and PCH products are purchased with FW updates in mind; especially with the betaFW quality of the C200...

So, when do we get to hear anything deffinate? What's going to happen and what can we expect?

The a110 .. Now that device had support!


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - halfelite - 11-11-2011 12:30 AM

The c200 is not EOL, Its coming but companies have to bring in new revenue to keep the lights on. So most of the dev work is going to the new product for a stable launch, then c200 will gets its updates


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - linni - 11-11-2011 08:38 AM

Quote:...companies have to bring in new revenue to keep the lights on. So most of the dev work is going to the new product for a stable launch, then c200 will gets its updates

Exactly, only c200 we can change to a200, a300 etc. And the same process keeps going on and on and on...


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - papajohn - 11-12-2011 07:16 PM

All products have a development curve and it looks like the c200 is flattening and probably about as far as it will go.... look at the B110 (its almost in reverse). Not a big problem for me as I don't need blu-ray in it (far better to have a dedicated drive for that) and it's doing what I want with a few exceptions.

Plus my needs are changing. I now no longer want the whine of HDD when I'm listening to music so that's on the NAS and WHS now, from another room, and silent. Movies are fine off it as you don't notice the disk.

But why would I buy another syabas product at the moment? I want something with an interactive remote control built in, and possibly integrated with other devices / controllers. I'm not convinced syabas have the right market focus at the moment... slightly worried they've lost it; but from a consumer point of view maybe one of the big boys will come in and gee the market up. Especially for audio; I want a remote that allows me to browse fully without the TV on. Maybe Sonos is worth another look.

And I dont mind paying a bit extra for something that works out of the box (unlike my c200 which was one of the first).

And before anyone mentions Android , iPad, and a whole load of other additions... I have tried quite a few but none have done it as simply as it should be. It should be interactive without loading bits from a PC etc. It should be mainstream like a telly... some thing my granny could buy and have working within 15 minutes. The apps are great, and the user help from the 'community' is superb; but I'd say it's at a keen user level and way off your average users expectation. Could my granny load the TCP bits and download tools to the PCH... NO !


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - carlosfp - 11-12-2011 07:25 PM

I bought my C200 less than 2 years ago. I think it still dont run ok. Need a new firmwares soon.
We are the 99% C200's owners.


RE: [C-200] Firmware 03-04-110530-21-POP-408 (03-04-110520-21-POP-408 Apps) (3.06.2011) - gonzalu - 11-12-2011 07:26 PM

Well, if they would finally add RECORDING capabilities... this would be killer. I can;t imagine how someone has not jumped on this part of the market. Hauppauge HD-PVR and the GefenTV High-Def Personal Video Recorder ($$$1,000) are the only two products out there... I much need to dump my DVR content from the locked sandbox of the cable company for safe storage and make room for more recordings...