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More Storage for the PCH A110
07-21-2009, 12:04 PM
Post: #1
More Storage for the PCH A110
Hello all, just looking for some opinions.

I currently have a PCH A-110, with an internal 1TB SATA Drive. This drive is now not far off being full, and so I have been looking at my options of adding further storage to my unit.

I first looked into installing a NAS, I am looking for something that will last me a couple of years, and so was looking at one that had around 4 bays for around an extra 4 TB of storage. I had the QNAP 409 in mind, however this has proved to be out of my current budget range at the minute.

Then in my searches I came across the following Sata USB enclosure, and wondered if this would achieve what I needed for a price that falls within my budget. The unit is a Lindy Quad Drive Sata Enclosure
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"For use with four 3.5" SATA Hard Drives to provide up to four Terabytes of storage!
The LINDY USB Quad Drive enclosure allows you to install four separate 3.5" SATA hard disks to create a cost-effective data storage solution for home or office use. It supports JBOD and NRAID configurations up to a maximum of 4TB (4 x 1 Terabyte) storage space, making it easy to create a large single drive. The front of the enclosure simply clips on and off for quick and easy access to your drives.


USB 2.0 interface
Supports SATA hard drives (not included) up to a total capacity of 4TB (4 x 1 Terabyte)
Compact, portable desktop design with ventilation fan for excellent heat dissipation
Supports JBOD & NRAID configurations
0.8m USB cable and power supply cable included
Compatible with Windows 2000/XP/2003/Vista, Mac OS 10.3.9 & above
Dimensions: 13.5 x 25 x 18cm (WxDxH
2 Year Warranty"

I am just looking for confirmation, that this unit will do what I require, and if it is just a case of pluging it into the popcorn hour via the USB port in the back. If anyone has any reservations on this product, or if you know of a similar product that will do what I want, then I am open to suggestions

Thanks in advance
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07-21-2009, 01:30 PM
Post: #2
RE: More Storage for the PCH A110
Checkout the DAS400.

There is one minor flaw at the moment that i'm experiencing with mine, but otherwise a great device. will take 4 drives, up to 2TB each, and connects via USB.

Much cheaper than a NAS and will be accessible via your network if it's plugged into your NMT.

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07-21-2009, 01:48 PM
Post: #3
RE: More Storage for the PCH A110
It will however have to be within USB range of the PCH, and is not going to be too quiet.

And will be limited by the speed of PCH transfer.

Personally I would go down the fileserver route.

It will work however.

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07-21-2009, 02:10 PM (This post was last modified: 07-21-2009 02:19 PM by nuke12.)
Post: #4
RE: More Storage for the PCH A110
I would be asking a few questions;

1) The way they talk, the max drive size is 1TB. That would worry me because we currently have 1.5 and 2TB drives.
2) What is NRAID? Non-Raid?
3) What is JBOD?

Different mfgs take different meanings for JBOD. For some, JBOD means the unit will present 4 drives to the OS. Others says it presents a single drive that is the total capacity of all installed drives.

I think this unit presents 4 drives in the JBOD mode and a single drive in NRAID mode but I would be asking.
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07-21-2009, 02:23 PM
Post: #5
RE: More Storage for the PCH A110
1. Probably simply because that was max size drive available when it was released, this often happens.
2. Near RAID, next to that I don't know.
3. Just a bunch of Disks (seriously)

Just 1 disk in software would involve either some form of RAID or some form of disk joining (not nice).

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07-21-2009, 05:25 PM
Post: #6
RE: More Storage for the PCH A110
i would look into puchasing or buidling a nas. something that has network connectivity over usb. as you can do a whole lot more with it. that being said from my experience i would build a cheap nas before buying whats on the market right now.
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07-21-2009, 06:15 PM
Post: #7
RE: More Storage for the PCH A110
(07-21-2009 02:23 PM)daniel_owen_uk Wrote:  1. Probably simply because that was max size drive available when it was released, this often happens.
2. Near RAID, next to that I don't know.
3. Just a bunch of Disks (seriously)

1) Probably true but I would want to know for sure. It's a little too late after you buy the unit.
2) No, it means Non-Raid. I looked it up.
3) Yes, I know.

My point about 2 & 3 is that neither of the two modes are considered to be standard raid configurations. Different mfgs implement #3 differently and I'm not sure about this NRAID thing. I went to the mfg's web site but they don't provide an online manual for the box. I would be asking questions before I put my $$ down.
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07-22-2009, 09:20 AM (This post was last modified: 07-22-2009 09:20 AM by daniel_owen_uk.)
Post: #8
RE: More Storage for the PCH A110
Sorry nuke but why would you advertise non raid? lol

Hardly a selling point, I looked it up too of course, and it's near RAID.

Otherwise they wouldn't be claiming

Quote:The HDDs can be used either individually (JBOD), as a RAID 0 or 1 system, or in certain
combined modes (0+1, see examples as printed on the product packaging).

http://www.lindy.co.uk/lindyshop/manuals...Manual.pdf

Manual is there Tongue

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07-22-2009, 12:01 PM
Post: #9
RE: More Storage for the PCH A110
(07-22-2009 09:20 AM)daniel_owen_uk Wrote:  Sorry nuke but why would you advertise non raid? lol

Hardly a selling point, I looked it up too of course, and it's near RAID.

Otherwise they wouldn't be claiming

http://www.lindy.co.uk/lindyshop/manuals...Manual.pdf

Manual is there Tongue

Well, I admit I couldn't find the manual but the manual does not say what NRAID is. I was going by this page: http://www.sunstarco.com/Education/What%20is%20.....htm

Neither JBOD or this NRAID are considered to be part of the standard raid levels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid0
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07-22-2009, 12:42 PM
Post: #10
RE: More Storage for the PCH A110
JBOD won't because, quite simply it has no redundancy.

You can't just read the first page on google and say you looked it up lol Tongue

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07-22-2009, 01:41 PM
Post: #11
RE: More Storage for the PCH A110
(07-22-2009 12:42 PM)daniel_owen_uk Wrote:  JBOD won't because, quite simply it has no redundancy.

You can't just read the first page on google and say you looked it up lol Tongue

I didn't. I can provide more references, if necessary. Really, it matters not if it is "near raid" or "non-raid" because, whatever it is, it's not one of the normal raid levels. The real question is, what does NRAID do?

The URL to the manual you supplied is for an eSATA box but his is a USB box. Possibly, configures the same, but maybe not? The manual talks about JBOD, Raid 0, Raid 1 and Raid 0+1. No mention of NRAID.

All I'm saying is, if I was the OP and thinking about buying this unit, I would be on the phone asking questions. When buying something like this you should not have to guess or assume things. I would want to know up front, what can be expected of it.
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07-22-2009, 01:49 PM (This post was last modified: 07-22-2009 01:52 PM by daniel_owen_uk.)
Post: #12
RE: More Storage for the PCH A110
It could be a proprietary function, I would have though it would be software RAID or some sort of disk joining thing, no idea exactly what it is.
http://www.lindy.de/lindyshop/manuals/Qu...Manual.pdf

Reading that it's basically a way of joining the physical disks into one partion.

This will be proprietary, and you won't be able to move the disks anywhere (and keep the data). I have to be honest even the microsoft implementation of this is horrible, so I doube this will be any good.

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07-22-2009, 08:02 PM
Post: #13
RE: More Storage for the PCH A110
(07-22-2009 01:49 PM)daniel_owen_uk Wrote:  Reading that it's basically a way of joining the physical disks into one partion.

This will be proprietary, and you won't be able to move the disks anywhere (and keep the data). I have to be honest even the microsoft implementation of this is horrible, so I doube this will be any good.

Damn, you are good! You found the actual manual. I missed your last post because it was combined with the one before.

I agree. Not useful to most here. Now where it is useful, it can be used a cheap backup system. Not to be kept running all the time. Do a backup of your data and then power the unit off afterwards. Because hard drive storage is so cheap, this is probably the cheapest method of doing backups.

Man, I sure hope blu-ray blanks become cheap, some day soon.
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