Putting firmware in Open Source

[nuke12]

Ahhhh, maybe some of the posters here should read an NDA. Then they would understand, what you sign away, when you do one. It ain't nice.

NDAs very in wording from company to company but your pretty much screwed, if you break one. I think you can find some samples on the internet. The way it's worked for me, is the company I work for signs off on an NDA and then each person working on the project has to sign off on an NDA.

[halfelite]

that is true. Only thing I really want access to right now on the C-200 is the FIP/FIPD to control the lcd. I have been looking at the hack that was used on the tvix and I hoping I can use some of it instead of write from scratch. Then things like weather/rss/time could be displayed right on the lcd.

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(10-02-2009 08:39 PM)nuke12 Wrote:  Ahhhh, maybe some of the posters here should read an NDA. Then they would understand, what you sign away, when you do one. It ain't nice.

NDAs very in wording from company to company but your pretty much screwed, if you break one. I think you can find some samples on the internet. The way it's worked for me, is the company I work for signs off on an NDA and then each person working on the project has to sign off on an NDA.

Just google what happens when you break an APPLE product NDA lol

[choochoo7777]

id be willing to bet at least some of the broken NDA have served as eye openers to closed minded companies and were later applauded for doing so.

if you're going to use Apple for an example ...why is it you think they actually allow cydia to exist on an ipod/iphone?

There are ways around NDA and to support gray market areas without officially supporting them.

I'd also be willing to bet the fact that apple allows cydia ... also increases sales of the ipod/iphone.

the gray market also sparks creativity and competition. Steve Jobs may be an asshat, but he is no idiot. He realizes that a sale is a sale...and any additional sale based on gray market stuff is still money in his pocket. Its when things are stolen and resold is when the license owners or creators get pissed. Kinda like what ometron is going through with yamj on that other device.

[halfelite]

^^ which like I said. sigma makes the libs for other devices. the ones used in the popcorn are not popcorn exclusive. Other hardware is based off the same chip. And the sales from grey market are so minimal it doesn't matter. People are going to buy it weather hacked software runs or not. And cydia is allowed but jailbreaking is not and apple has already filed to have the DMCA updated to outlaw jailbreaking. So your comments have no value. Apple is now allowing anything. They are just going after the root of the problem. No jailbreaking no cydia.

[nuke12]

Well, I don't know much about the iPhone or iPod but as far as I know, you have to jailbreak the unit before cydia can be installed. There is no NDA issue here and the people that own the devices don't sign an NDA. They own the hardware. They might be breaking an owner's agreement but it's not even close to the same thing. Apples are apples and oranges are oranges.

[choochoo7777]

(10-02-2009 10:11 PM)halfelite Wrote:  ^^ which like I said. sigma makes the libs for other devices. the ones used in the popcorn are not popcorn exclusive. Other hardware is based off the same chip. And the sales from grey market are so minimal it doesn't matter. People are going to buy it weather hacked software runs or not. And cydia is allowed but jailbreaking is not and apple has already filed to have the DMCA updated to outlaw jailbreaking. So your comments have no value. Apple is now allowing anything. They are just going after the root of the problem. No jailbreaking no cydia.

I guess you missed the point. If apple wanted to stop jailbreaking ..they would stop it. Just like microsoft does when they find a modified xbox on the xbox live network. They only posture to fight it to satisfy ATT (paid big money for exclusive Iphone) while APPLE profits from both sides of the fence with a witty contract. THe only foot ATT has to stand on is that the phones are subsidized ... which is easy to get around by purchasing an iphone from overseas that was never locked in the first place ...and never subsidized.

Millions of iphones have been jailbroken to work on other networks. Has nothing to do with hacks ... it has to do with available or possible additional functionality that one might deem unnecessary and another finds it compelling and wants it (tethering or MMS for example). This is what I meant by added value and longevity.

There will never be a day where there is a law that says you can only use a. device for only a. function. what will happen is those sorts of exclusive contracts will be a thing of the past. Look at history ... MA Belle tried the same thing with that stupid rotary phone.

its only a matter of time before all phones work on all networks ... like in the EU.

[halfelite]

^^ apple is fighting it. They are waiting for there new proposal of the DMCA to go through as of right now it does not cover the jailbreak.

[choochoo7777]

(10-03-2009 01:18 AM)halfelite Wrote:  ^^ apple is fighting it. They are waiting for there new proposal of the DMCA to go through as of right now it does not cover the jailbreak.

of course they are fighting it ... they can keep the very profitable contract from ATT by doing so. In turn .. .ATT cannot get out due to breach of contract as long as Apple is supposedly fighting the jailbreaking. Almost everyone is aware the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) has a heavy hand with the now Democrat controlled congress. They will NEVER go for something as crazy as crippling the consumer and the consumer rights to fair and legitimate uses of electronic devices ..and even advocates for the continuation of technology.Unless Apple can somehow prove they are being financially hurt by jailbreaking they will never win. If you haven't noticed ... Cydia basically offers things that the app store doesnt or wont ... so no financial harm. This will drag on and on and the exclusive contract will be over by the time this is settled with Apple milking ATT for all it can ...all while knowing the end of this sort of business model is eminent. Then there will be no more of this nonsense.

Of course there are 2 sides to that argument ... some say this may limit the ability for corporations to invest in technology when they are not protected (pharmaceutical industry comes to mind), and others say complete openness is necessary so that all will and can gain from technology. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

I think we are both right .. just not both right ...right now. You are right now ... ill be right later.

Lastly ... i am of the belief that if a product can do something ... it should be able to do it ... and if it doesnt ...who is to say someone can't make it do it. In other words ... if i could buy a c200 and in turn recreate it in a way that the unit becomes a nipple twister ... and sell it ..and people buy it... by all means what is the problem? This is innovation ..not theft as long as the original creator of the product or device gets proper credit and the creator of the new found use gets his or her due credit as well.

btw ..the nipple twister is extremely sarcastic.