[A-200] [Audio] DTS-HDMA and TrueHD working!

[jrsmiley]

I finally got HD audio bitstreaming to work. Here's what I do:

Rip BD disc to ISO w/AnyDVDHD to remove protection (no other changes)
Create a new ISO using ClownBD taking all of the defaults. Clown will demux with eac3to, remux with tsmuxer, and create the ISO with ImgBurn. This creates an ISO with BD structure with just the main video stream and main audio stream.

HD audio does not work with m2ts files, BD structures, or the ISO produced by AnyDVDHD.

Works (DTS-HDMA):

General
Complete name : Z:\Videos\Wanted.ISO
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
File size : 19.6 GiB

Video
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Works (True-HD):

General
Complete name : Z:\Videos\Iron Man.ISO
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
File size : 29.8 GiB

Video
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Standard : NTSC
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Not sure why MediaInfo doesn't display the audio tracks.

I don't understand yet why these work and the original ISOs produced by AnyDVDHD don't. I'll keep trying different things until I narrow it down. I got a big clue from peterjcat's post:
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showth...#pid334542

[jrsmiley]

What information can I provide that will make this easier to diagnose? Mediainfo doesn't tell you much if you just give it an ISO. If you mount the ISO and run mediainfo on the mount point, it gives information about the certificates, etc., but not the video and audio tracks. If you give it the STREAMS directory, it hangs. If you give it the PLAYLIST directory it hangs on a 1:1 BD rip (AnyDVDHD), but if you give it a PLAYLIST directory with only one playlist (say, from a remux as described in my OP), it gives you the video and audio stream info as you would expect.

eac3to does a better job of telling you what's in a particular ISO / BD tree, but mediainfo seems to be preferred here.

Advice / suggestions?

[chris57]

It is only single file player app that cannot bitstream HD audio through to a suitable receiver.

The app that plays DVD, BD etc. is a different app and that can bitstream HD audio. That is why the suggestion is to create a BD structure, with one of the many apps, and play it.

Older chipset players including the A100/110 cannot handle BD structures and so to have a backup people have had to take the output from AnyDVD and ultimately create one m2ts file. Unfortunately an m2ts file is a single file and played by the app that presently cannot bitstream HD Audio.
For those just starting out there really is no need to do anything to the AntDVD rip to image option. The C200 should play them as if it were the actual BD disc, the A200 with its BDLite should be able to play the movie with your selecting subs/audio etc. from the BDLite menu.

What you did was take the BD structure and do the process that the likes of the A110 require before finally taking it back to a BD structure. Bit of work for no reason really.

Now that is in a world where every backup created by AnyDVD works. Well big news some don't. That is why AnyDVD is updated so frequently, its also the reason to go for it in preference to other ripping software. Always checkout the AnyDVD forum for help on a release that doesn't work. Look at useful software such as reclocker to understand why some do not play.

[jrsmiley]

Thanks, Chris. What I'm seeing is that for 1:1 AnyDVD rips to ISO or BD structures, I get HD audio bitstreaming only if the title uses old-style DVD menus. If it uses BD Java-based menus (i.e. the A200 uses BDLite menus), only the core of the audio track is sent to the receiver (the receiver displays Dolby Digital for True-HD and DTS Surround for DTS-HDMA). For DTS-HDMA tracks, the movie plays fine, just with degraded sound. For True-HD tracks, the audio has frequent "drop outs" - short periods of silence accompanied by the receiver display indicating that it isn't receiving an audio signal.

If I run the AnyDVD rip (ISO or BD structure) through ClownBD (for us newbies - a nice front-end for eac3to, tsMuxeR, and ImgBurn) to extract just the main video and HD audio track to a BD structure, the A200 bitstreams DTS-HDMA and True-HD beautifully (no drop-outs, stutters, etc.).

I don't mind remuxing my entire collection if that solves the problem since I'll also reclaim quite a bit of space and get rid of all of the trailers, ads, menu blocks, and other annoyances that I didn't know how to get rid of when I started. I just want to make sure I get it right the first time. I'm still learning my way around and it's entirely likely that I'm still not in possession of all the facts. As helpful as these forums and the Wiki are, there's a ton of information to absorb and since there's no "one-size-fits-all" solution, there's not exactly a neon sign pointing the way, so thanks again for the nudge in the right direction.

[jamos]

A-200 plays TSMUXER bd structure fine. No need to create a iso. just using tsmuxer and the original m2ts file (the big one in the stream folder) from the ripped bd from ANYDVD and use bluray output.

[Gunserotti]

(02-09-2010 06:23 AM)jrsmiley Wrote:  If I run the AnyDVD rip (ISO or BD structure) through ClownBD (for us newbies - a nice front-end for eac3to, tsMuxeR, and ImgBurn) to extract just the main video and HD audio track to a BD structure, the A200 bitstreams DTS-HDMA and True-HD beautifully (no drop-outs, stutters, etc.).

Me too. Eleven rips and perfect HD audio. Question: when you perform the above, what happens when you hit the menu key while playing the movie? When I press menu key the movie restarts and no menu is seen.

[jrsmiley]

(02-10-2010 10:38 PM)Gunserotti Wrote:  Me too. Eleven rips and perfect HD audio. Question: when you perform the above, what happens when you hit the menu key while playing the movie? When I press menu key the movie restarts and no menu is seen.

Right. That's what you'd expect. When you rip the main video and audio tracks you're basically throwing away everything else: trailers, banners, ads, commentary tracks, "making of" videos, ... and menus.

[ahtze]

U won't get HD audio if there's BD lite menu.

[Gunserotti]

(02-11-2010 10:47 AM)ahtze Wrote:  U won't get HD audio if there's BD lite menu.

There appears to be a relationship between:

BD lite menu= no HD audio bitstreaming (only core)
Full BD Menu =HD audio bitstreaming
No menu= HD audio bitstreaming

See this thread: http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showth...#pid338084