[Bug] Sony Camcorder 60PS AVCHD video issue

[revlisoft]

I got the new Sony Camcorder HDR-CX130 which can record in 60p. However, it appears the C200 can't play this properly. It shows for 1-2 secs and hangs. Sometimes it'll play but with no audio and seems to play at 1/2 rate. My boxee seems to be able to play it ok. Is the C-200 too underpowered to play this format? Is it time for me to retire the box?


Here's the info.



Complete name : \\nas\2011-07-30_13.26.06_00000 - NY Aquarium with Alex & Milo.MTS

Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 57.3 MiB
Duration : 18s 534ms
Overall bit rate : 25.9 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 28.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.2
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=30
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 18s 18ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 24.6 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 26.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 59.940 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.198
Stream size : 52.8 MiB (92%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 18s 48ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 564 KiB (1%)

Text
ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144
Duration : 17s 452ms


EDIT: Found a thread with the exact same issue: http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showth...hlight=60p

[zombiehunter]

It is quite possiable that the sony video is in the new AVCHD 2.0 spec
that allows frame rates of 1080/60p,50p, I doubt the current pch firmware can play such files

more info at http://www.avchd-info.org/

[revlisoft]

So it's time to dump my C-200 then?

[zombiehunter]

Depends if syabas wants to implement the new changes and if the licence they use covers these changes

if this change has to come from sigma it won't happen quickly

maybe someone in the know will enlighten us

[Martien]

Does it play better from an internal or USB attached harddisk?
If so check you network settings it should be set at 100Mb.

The specification of the C200 does not show any support for the High@L4.2 profile. 4.1 is the max.
You could try to remux with TS-muxer and change the level (4.0 or 4.1) to fool the Sigma chip.

[revlisoft]

Internal or USB attached hard disk doesn't help. I remuxed to mkv using tsmuxer and mkvmerge with no difference.

remuxed video @ http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BFQVPZXW


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Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 91.8 MiB
Duration : 30s 560ms
Overall bit rate : 25.2 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2011-08-10 04:27:18
Writing application : mkvmerge v4.9.1 ('Ich will') built on Jul 11 2011 23:53:15
Writing library : libebml v1.2.1 + libmatroska v1.1.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.2
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=30
Muxing mode : Header stripping
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 30s 564ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 26.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 59.940 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.197
Stream size : 89.0 MiB (97%)
Language : English

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Muxing mode : Header stripping
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 30s 560ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 955 KiB (1%)

[Pain]

In this thread you can learn some methods to make it work:
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showth...?tid=50780

In short:
My solution: turn it into a .mp4 file. I tried this with a 50Hz video from a Panasonic camera, and it worked.

Use tsMuxer to extract the video and audio streams from the .MTS file. http://www.smlabs.net/en/products/tsmuxer/
Use MP4Box to mux the video+audio into a .MP4 and try playing it. http://gpac.wp.institut-telecom.fr/mp4box/

Another solution:
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showth...#pid501090
Chris59 shows here how to turn the video into a proper multiAVCHD structure which will play.

[hussain]

(08-10-2011 09:21 PM)Pain Wrote:  In this thread you can learn some methods to make it work:
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showth...?tid=50780

In short:
My solution: turn it into a .mp4 file. I tried this with a 50Hz video from a Panasonic camera, and it worked.

Use tsMuxer to extract the video and audio streams from the .MTS file. http://www.smlabs.net/en/products/tsmuxer/
Use MP4Box to mux the video+audio into a .MP4 and try playing it. http://gpac.wp.institut-telecom.fr/mp4box/

Another solution:
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showth...#pid501090
Chris59 shows here how to turn the video into a proper multiAVCHD structure which will play.

I can confirm that .mp4 method is a fail for panasonic 1080 60p video.

[Pain]

(09-07-2011 06:24 AM)hussain Wrote:  I can confirm that .mp4 method is a fail for panasonic 1080 60p video.

Can you describe how it fails? Black screen, jerky playback, audio sync problems, something else?

[hussain]

Very Very jerky playback, plays for two seconds, stops, plays for two seconds, stops again.

[revlisoft]

Same issue as described here: http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showth...?tid=50780

[Dave_D]

That's the problem with manufacturers scrimping on licensing...

The entry level stuff almost always uses some proprietary video standard lacking in higher end models.

Personally I don't get any camcorder that doesn't support MP4 or web sharing standard support.

If you're shooting commercially then of course using 1080p 60fps matters but almost always commercial video needs post processing anyway to accommodate the least common denominator of potential customers.

Nowadays that means DVD formats or even Youtube.

FYI. For these cameras that don't output files friendly to the media players in general, I run them through handbrake.

[Junketpumper]

GDay all.
I recently purchased a Sony HDR-XR160 whilst on holdays in th US. I recorded all in 1080P 60P. All I did is drag the file off the Sony; onto my computer (as it comes with a crap program PMB) straight onto the internal HDD in my C200. Plays fine and looks bloody great. Yet to be edited but no dramas. Spec from the site:
High Definition
MPEG AVC/H.264
1920 x 1080p, 1920 x 1080i, 1440 x 1080i (60/60/60 fps)

C200 connected to a NAD 785 receiver, NAD 587 BluRay player and Sony 50" Bravia. The drama I thought Id have is that the video camera is NTSC..PAL here in Australia..however TV has 'auto' for PAL and NTSC. Set to auto..works great. Different video camera specs?

My two bobs worth

[revlisoft]

How does the file look like when it's on the HDD? Is it an entire directory structure or just .MTS files?

[Junketpumper]

GDay revlisoft
Mate, tad of bad luck with your video camera. My recording is typical bluray stucture. Went to 'stream' and all.MTS files. I just placed it in a directory. I also created an ISO and placed it in another directory..the ol popcorn plays it fine. I have other recordings as well. I now have recordings with all the settings - FX and PS 60p. Seem to play fine. Different specs in cameras? I did a search on google and they are around the same era.. Different firmware in the C-200? My firmware is 03-04-110530-21-POP-408-000
I have Western Digital Caviar Black WD 1.0TB installed.

Regards