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FLAC issue
04-06-2012, 08:21 PM
Post: #61
RE: FLAC issue
As All the Linn files play on my A300 Onkyo setup as the do on the C200 Onkyo setup, the only thing that I can think of is that the 300 follow the HDMI negotiation standard for the configuration of audio signals, whereas the 200 series just followed the config and assumed playback capability...

I have found some HD tracks album that give what you describe as fast forward sound.. but others from that source with the same bit/sample rate play fine...

on my search I did find a nice tool to check high bitrate FLAC files http://losslessaudiochecker.com/ it allows you to weed out the fakes...


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10 NTFS 2TB USB drives on 3 hubs attached to the A400, 2 Seagate blackarmour NAS 3TB, 2 Seagate Central NAS 4TB.


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04-25-2012, 01:19 AM
Post: #62
RE: FLAC issue
Hi,

I'm confused as to whether there is any consensus regarding the Popcorn Hour products and ability to play 24/192 FLAC files, or if this is an issue of combination with other equipment such as the above mentioned TV.

My current media player can apparently only handle up to 24/96 FLAC, which is also the case with my receiver's built in media player. My receiver is a Denon AVR-4311CI, which supports DVD-Audio, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS-HD Master Audio in 24/192. I haven't been able to determine if this is possible with via HDMI and optical connections, or if the Denon-link connector must be used. I also haven't been able to determine if a 24/192 wav file can be interpreted, or if it has to be encoded with the Dolby or DTS formats.

I am interested in replacing my network media player with one capable of 24/192 so that I can begin to buy music in this format.

If my receiver is compatible, should I be able to play back 24/192 from a Popcorn Hour C-300 via optical or HDMI?

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04-25-2012, 05:21 AM
Post: #63
RE: FLAC issue
Hi, I have a A-300 and a C-200 that both do FLAC 24/192 to my Onkyo receiver.
On the A-300 3% of my high bitrate collection fails to play for reason unknown to me.

Do checkout this tool http://losslessaudiochecker.com/ as it will show you if the audio file really contains audio in the high bitrate range or has a cutoff near the CD quality level.
192 is a bit of a commercial gimmick... the improved audio experience is not because of the higher sample rate but due to the fact that analog master tapes have been re-digitized with today state of the art equipment.
There is a lot of digital 16/44.1 stuff out there being up-scaled to high bit rates but these are in my view fakes....


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10 NTFS 2TB USB drives on 3 hubs attached to the A400, 2 Seagate blackarmour NAS 3TB, 2 Seagate Central NAS 4TB.


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04-25-2012, 05:55 AM
Post: #64
RE: FLAC issue
I've got several Classic Records HDAD "master tape sound" DVD audio releases with 24bit/96khz on one side, and 24bit/192khz on the other side of the same DVD-Audio disc. These are from the same master recordings and transfers, with the only apparent difference being that the 192khz format is authored as is, while the 96khz is downsampled to that frequency. I prefer the 192khz side, which is what got me interested in being able to find a compatible media player for other recordings at this rate, since there are so few 192khz discs. It sounds like I should be able to take the plunge and order a player, and that any problems may be specific to my receiver or certain recordings. The ones I am interested in right away are from HDTracks.

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04-25-2012, 01:37 PM (This post was last modified: 04-25-2012 01:58 PM by Willem53.)
Post: #65
RE: FLAC issue
HDTracks offers FLAC downloads in 88 kHz/24 bit and 96 kHz/24 bit... another fine source is http://www.chesky.com/ and a real old time favorite http://www.linnrecords.com/
A200 will do it but don't expect a user interface that is smart or fancy... if that is important to you an A300 might be a better choice but still nothing really great...... but it works for me..


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10 NTFS 2TB USB drives on 3 hubs attached to the A400, 2 Seagate blackarmour NAS 3TB, 2 Seagate Central NAS 4TB.


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04-25-2012, 06:11 PM
Post: #66
RE: FLAC issue
In the HDTracks 24/96 store, you can select 192kHz/24bit under the "view by bitrate" option, and the 192 selection is listed. I would estimate they have about 180 albums in that format.

https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?set=1...9624albums

I will be scouring the chesky and linn sites once I get a suitable player.

I was thinking of getting a C-300 if that may be better suited to FLAC playback, and hopefully adding a bluray drive to consolidate some of my equipment.

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04-25-2012, 08:34 PM
Post: #67
RE: FLAC issue
My A300 plays 24/96 FLAC's only with the optical connections, not with the HDMI connection on my Onkyo receiver TX-SR 805. I connected the HDMI connection to my TV and the optical SP/DIF to my receiver and everything works perfect.
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04-26-2012, 05:29 AM
Post: #68
RE: FLAC issue
(04-25-2012 08:34 PM)erroo Wrote:  My A300 plays 24/96 FLAC's only with the optical connections, not with the HDMI connection on my Onkyo receiver TX-SR 805. I connected the HDMI connection to my TV and the optical SP/DIF to my receiver and everything works perfect.

that is very strange..... my A300 is connected to an Onkyo TX-SR507 does it perfectly over HDMI...Please check your cable, connectors or Onkyo settings.


PCH-A100/A210/C200/A400 500GB EXT3 HDD<-->HDMIv1.3<-->Onkyo TX-NR1010<-->HDMIv1.3<-->Panasonic TX-P46S10 + 6 Bowers & Wilkins speakers.
10 NTFS 2TB USB drives on 3 hubs attached to the A400, 2 Seagate blackarmour NAS 3TB, 2 Seagate Central NAS 4TB.


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04-26-2012, 06:01 AM
Post: #69
RE: FLAC issue
Hmmm.... I read an article that indicated HDMI is supposed to support 24/192, although it did not specify what version of HDMI, or if this was the case with all devices.

http://www.tech-faq.com/hdmi.html

I have the feeling that I will not know if it works until I have the media player.
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04-26-2012, 07:34 AM
Post: #70
RE: FLAC issue
(04-26-2012 06:01 AM)Crash! Wrote:  Hmmm.... I read an article that indicated HDMI is supposed to support 24/192, although it did not specify what version of HDMI, or if this was the case with all devices.

http://www.tech-faq.com/hdmi.html

I have the feeling that I will not know if it works until I have the media player.

So true, unfortunately it's all in the success of the HDMI handshake between the AVR and the mediaplayer, for some reason there are some high end brands that build great Amps and receivers that fail on the digital... HDMI communication between devices is loosely implemented when they are not all from the same manufacturer.


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10 NTFS 2TB USB drives on 3 hubs attached to the A400, 2 Seagate blackarmour NAS 3TB, 2 Seagate Central NAS 4TB.


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05-09-2012, 06:30 AM (This post was last modified: 05-09-2012 06:48 AM by Veger69.)
Post: #71
RE: FLAC issue
I have a Denon 2809ci connected to my A-300 through HDMI all audio set to pass through. So far none of my HD tracks 24/96 and 24/192 albums will play. they show as playing but no sound. I know these flacs are good because I was playing them through my Sagetv HD-300 yesterday.

They do not play off a USB drive as well.
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05-09-2012, 08:07 AM
Post: #72
RE: FLAC issue
I don't have my player yet, but in testing my Denon AVR-4311CI to try and determine if any inputs support HD audio, I been able to burn FLAC files to a DVD-Audio disc (with DVD-Audio Solo), and play it back from a DVD-Audio player via HDMI at 24/192. I assume these are being converted to WAV or otherwise uncompressed before being put to disc, but HDMI can carry the appropriate signal on this model so perhaps it has something to do with the HDMI version or receiver internals that aren't necessarily published. Hopefully this means the player will be able to output via HDMI to this reciever as well.

Perhaps one of these player models can mount and playback the ISO image of a DVD-Audio disc or use the WAV files instead of FLAC files?

Incidentally, putting the FLAC or WAV files on a USB drive attached to the receiver does not work, although I think it uses the same software for its USB as it does for its network audio player, and that is not compatible with 24/192. I will have to report once I get my player and do some testing.

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05-09-2012, 08:21 AM (This post was last modified: 05-09-2012 08:29 AM by Willem53.)
Post: #73
RE: FLAC issue
(05-09-2012 06:30 AM)Veger69 Wrote:  I have a Denon 2809ci connected to my A-300 through HDMI all audio set to pass through. So far none of my HD tracks 24/96 and 24/192 albums will play. they show as playing but no sound. I know these flacs are good because I was playing them through my Sagetv HD-300 yesterday.

They do not play off a USB drive as well.

Yes, I also think the FLAC files are good as most of the HDtracks stuff works on my A300 and Onkyo...
AFAIK Problem is that the A300 and the Denon can not agree on the playback capabilities or DRM as should be negotiated over the HDMI.

Denon is clearly different form Onkyo in this..

(05-09-2012 08:07 AM)Crash! Wrote:  I don't have my player yet, but in testing my Denon AVR-4311CI to try and determine if any inputs support HD audio, I been able to burn FLAC files to a DVD-Audio disc (with DVD-Audio Solo), and play it back from a DVD-Audio player via HDMI at 24/192. I assume these are being converted to WAV or otherwise uncompressed before being put to disc, but HDMI can carry the appropriate signal on this model so perhaps it has something to do with the HDMI version or receiver internals that aren't necessarily published. Hopefully this means the player will be able to output via HDMI to this reciever as well.

Perhaps one of these player models can mount and playback the ISO image of a DVD-Audio disc or use the WAV files instead of FLAC files?

Incidentally, putting the FLAC or WAV files on a USB drive attached to the receiver does not work, although I think it uses the same software for its USB as it does for its network audio player, and that is not compatible with 24/192. I will have to report once I get my player and do some testing.

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Of course the HDMI can carry the signal once both devices have agreed on their compatibility and legal compliance in regards to that signal... problem is some Denon, Sony, Marantz and other High end devices have a different view on this, which could to all ends and purposes be legally and technically correct but not very useful if you want to connect a device like and NMT...


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10 NTFS 2TB USB drives on 3 hubs attached to the A400, 2 Seagate blackarmour NAS 3TB, 2 Seagate Central NAS 4TB.


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05-09-2012, 08:31 AM
Post: #74
RE: FLAC issue
DRM is bad
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05-09-2012, 08:37 AM (This post was last modified: 05-09-2012 08:38 AM by Willem53.)
Post: #75
RE: FLAC issue
Agree, it's a tough job to identify the brands and devices that will allow us to work around DRM.
It's a tough war out their to keep the consumer in the old and expensive business models as opposed to giving them the benefit of the cheaper new distribution models.
The NMT is one of the means that allow us to stand a chance...


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